# Craps - Other Bets

That becomes the dice roll. Make equal bets on the Ante and Super Bonus spots. This question was raised and discussed in the forum of my companion site Wizard of Vegas. Is this available in Vegas? The average shooter throws the dice 8.

Yes, it was luck. It helped that you stuck to the low house edge bets. However, next time, make the line bets with odds only, and don't bet the field, especially if it pays 2 to 1 only on both the 2 and What is the calculation of the house edge for a put bet on the pass line after the come out roll and the point is established with full odds eg.

Since you asked I added information about the put bet in my craps section. That should tell you what you want to know. I have read about a few casinos that pay on both the 2 and 12 in a field bet. What Las Vegas casinos offer this bet?

I've never heard of a Las Vegas casino paying on both the 2 and 12, but the Santa Ana Star in New Mexico does at least as of this writing in This rule results in a house edge of exactly 0. Your information you give is outstanding. Thanks for the compliment. The formula for the house edge in buy and lay bets is the commission divided by the bet plus commission.

I'll leave the other situations as an exercise for the reader I hated it when my math books would say that. I just finished reading your section on strategy for craps with great interest. I understand that better the pass line and come bets with full odds is a good strategy. My question is "does the house edge change at all when playing a strategy of pass line with full odds and making a maximum of two come bets with maximum odds?

Or should a person stick with just the single bet with full odds? This seems to be a favorite strategy for most knowledgeable players I have met at the dice tables. The house edge is the same regardless of how many come bets you make assuming you always take the maximum allowable odds and leave the odds turned on during a come out roll. How many come bets you make should be a matter of personal preference. I love to play craps and would like your opinion on a conventional method of play.

Pass line and two come bets with full double odds or with one come bet? Does having three different bets working superior to two? As long as you are backing up your pass and come bets with full odds, it doesn't make any difference how many come bets you make.

However, it does reduce the overall house edge to keep the odds on your come bets working on the come out roll. In craps, does the house edge change if you make a don't pass bet then remove it if the point is 6 or 8?

What if you remove it if the point is 6,8,5,or 9? You should never remove a don't pass bet after a point is made! Once a point is made of 6 or 8 the don't pass has equity of 9. What is the difference between making a come bet then taking the odds and a put bet?

They sound the same to me in your explanation of put bets. Since you recommend against put bets you also recommend against come bets followed by the odds or am I not understanding you correctly? A put bet is like a come bet on a particular point. In other words the put bet does not get the benefit of winning on a 7 or 11 on the first roll, but the bet immediately gets "put" on the point of the bettors choice.

The bettor may also immediately take odds on the put bet. Put bets are generally not a good idea because the player is twice as likely to win as lose on the first roll of a come bet, and the player is voluntarily forfeiting that roll with a put bet.

However if the odds allowed are high enough a put bet, backed up with maximum odds, can have a lower house edge than a place or buy bet.

My craps section states how high the odds need to get for this to happen. Could you tell me what the house advantage is on these bets? I'm especially curious about the 5 or 9 since we are actually paying true odds for a place bet. The expected value of the place bet on 5 is 0. So you're right there is no house edge on the 5, or the 9. In other words the house edge is 5.

You have a great site. Thank you for spending so much of your time helping people to learn the math behind the games. Should this not be Then you lose 21 or have Very few Internet casinos implement the buy bet odds correctly.

I have two friends that have a bet on which game craps or baccarat have the best odds for the player. Could you help me settle this. They are both casino workers and are sure they are right. It depends on how the games are played. If optimal strategy is compared to optimal strategy then craps is better. The best you can do is baccarat is bet on the banker at a house edge of 1.

That is a good question. It is obviously more fun to go with the crowd than against it. The question is why does the crowd favor the pass line? Perhaps it is just tradition. It seems that you have already dodged the 7 and ll bullet, so the bet is now in your favor. Why would you dilute a bet that is already heavily in your favor with a large relative speaking bet at true odds? It seems that you are working in the houses favor by reducing the house edge on the entire bet.

By the way, I discussed this with several casino bosses and dealers yesterday and they all had opinions, but not reasons for these opinions. Thanks for your time. So either way your expected gain is 3 dollars and 33 cents. So, yes, the player edge as a percentage drops by making the odds bet. However that player edge is effective over more money. The way I think gamblers should view the house edge is as the price to pay for entertainment.

If you want to pay as little as possible then taking or laying the odds is getting entertainment for free. Even those that do probably bet the pass bet because it feels better to be part of a group than to go against it. Lets talk about PUT vs. With a come bet, you have make the , then wait till it hits again, cutting your hits in half. I get challenged a lot on my support for come bets with odds. Those against come bets are always quick to say a number has to hit twice with a come bet and only once with a place or put bet.

That is not a good way to look at it. You get no such advantage on the first roll of a place or bet bet. Even if you do roll a point number it can be any number. In other words there are six point numbers that can win on a come bet, and only one on a place or put bet.

Ultimately the reason the come bet with odds beats place or put bets is the house edge is less. I saw a bet in craps called the "Fire Bet" that paid if player made 4 to 6 different points. What is the scoop on that? The following table shows what each number of points pays, the probability, and contribution to the total return.

The probabilities were determined by random simulation. The exact probability of making all six points is 0. Fire Bet Points Made. The lower right cell shows an expected loss, or house edge, of You say the house edge on the pass line bet in craps is 1. Is there any coincidence that this number is the square root of 2?

Just a coincidence I assure you. In fact I would argue the house edge in all casino games must be a rational number because there are a limited number of possible outcomes in all games, resulting in a house edge of a perfect fraction.

Therefore the two numbers can not be equal. The square root of 2 is 1. You are the one true expert on the internet. Because the odds in dice are based on the probability of winning as compared with the payout, I question whether it makes sense to take odds on bets that have a low a probability of winning.

For example, the odds on the 4 and 10 are 2 to 1. Is it really a good bet to back up the pass line when the 4 or 10 shows.

If someone offered a payout of 10, to 1, with the odds of winning to 1 and you could only make one bet , it would appear to be a good bet, but the chances of winning are so slim that in reality it is probably a suckers bet. Is there any validity to what I am saying? Thanks for the compliments. As you know I strictly look at the expected value of a bet. However in craps a 2 to 1 win is not going to change my lifestyle if I win. In your opinion with which is the best to take.

I took the match play. I recommend taking the match play. That match play is worth about 48 cents on the dollar. The reason I favor that over blackjack is that blackjack has a lower probability of winning, thus reducing the value of the match play. For further explanation please see my October 30 column. Why is it better to make Come bets with odds than to make Place bets? My math indicates that you make more on a place bet when betting equal units. The other advantage to place bets is that I get to choose which numbers I want to bet and that I win the first time that it is rolled.

Am I missing something? You are forgetting that a come bet wins on the first roll So you are missing the extra value of the first roll of a come bet. However if you had a crystal ball that told you that the first roll would result in a point number then you would be right. Dear Wizard, Can you please explain to me how the house advantage on craps place bets are calculated.

This is driving me nuts. I would greatly appreciate an explanation. In this case Thanks for the great site. You recently stated that the average craps shooter lasts approx. I normally bet the pass with full odds followed by come bets with full odds. Does it make more sense to quit making come bets after, say four throws given the long term probability that the thrower will 7 out in only three to four more throws?

The dice do not have a memory so at four throws you do not get any closer to sevening out. You could roll non-sevens and still be no closer or further away from a seven than you were the first throw. There is no optimal number of come bets, just make as many as you find the most fun. The crew member said it was new and paid even money. He then mentioned that he thought the field was a better bet. Even if the 2 and 12 both pay 2 to 1 on the field the house edge is only 5. What I suggest is betting less on the pass so that your need for action is mostly met by a full odds bet.

That will lower the overall house edge from 1. The fewer the sevens the greater the odds favor the pass line bet. The following table shows the house edge according to the percentage of sevens, assuming the probability of all other numbers is proportional to the fair probability. I feel lucky and want to place a bet. Do I have to first make a pass line bet? Can I make a come bet? Can I make either bet with odds?

Or, do I wait until the next round of play? Your odds are the same on an ice-cold table. The past does not matter.

However if you are going to play then wait patiently for a come out roll. Never make a pass bet after a point has been established. A follow-up to the recent question about the person who walked up to the hot craps table and wanted to play.

I understand, of course, why the history of the table means nothing. A come bet would have been just as good and require no waiting. I should have added that.

First I would take a taxi to the Hard Rock, the closest major casino to the airport. Four hours should be enough time. The lines at security can get pretty bad. If your outbound flight is in terminal C be sure to ask an agent about the secret entrance. Great site keep up the excellent work.

If i bet 10 dollars I would like my original 10 back plus the 10 I bet. I belives the craps pass line would be the best bet to do this. I dont mind going down a little money if I have to, but I would expect to get positive at least the amount of my original bet sometime before the end of the shoe or game. Is craps the answer Thanks for your time and effort. If your goal is to win just one unit I agree craps is the best place to start.

However if you lose your first bet I would switch to blackjack. Only when exactly where you started would I go back to craps. Re buy bet vig. I always thought this was on the bet amount, not on the win amount which means the return should be Are the other casinos wrong? Assuming the commission is paid only on a win then it should be applied to the bet amount, not the win amount.

As a craps player I enjoy playing the more player friendly version of crapless found in Tunica. With their version of buy bets the vig is paid only on a winning bet. The house edge on the 3 or 11 is 1. I recently visited Imperial Palace, Las Vegas and played craps, and was very surprised to find out that horn bets there pay 15 FOR 1 and 30 FOR 1 14 to 1 and 29 to 1 respectively How dramatically does this change the house edge, and do you know of any other casinos that do not pay the standard of 15 to 1 and 30 to 1?

As if the normal odds were not bad enough. Shame on the IP. Lowering the 2-number horn bets from 15 to 14 increases the house edge from Lowering the 1-number horn bets from 30 to 29 increases the house edge from I asked the Bone Man of Next Shooter.

He said it is all the hard ways and either the 7 or It is referred to either "buffalo -- seven" or "buffalo -- eleven. I understand the put bet is a good bet when the odds are 10x or more. My question is, why wait for the point?

Why not bet on the passline, and then if the point is a 6 or 8, bet the full 10x odds? However, some people absolutely must bet on the points directly. If that is a given, I advocate making the best bet between the place, buy, and put, which I explain in greater depth in my craps section. Foxwoods offers both Baccarat in which the players control the cards, and Mini-Baccarat in which the Dealer controls the cards.

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The dealer then reveals the first of the community cards, which becomes the fourth card in each player's hand. If you still feel confident, you say, "Let it ride. If not, you tell the dealer to push back the bet.

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Each player's hand is then compared to the dealer's hand. Players are not permitted to expose their hands or discuss them with other players. Any player's hand that is set incorrectly automatically loses. You are responsible for arranging your own hand and should do so with care.

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